Seventh Day Sabbath or Lunar Sabbath?

[BYT YHWH]

There are some teachings going around that say that we
are to keep the Sabbath by the Moon.

That at every New Moon, a New Week, or a Sabbath
begins.

We have been seeing these teachings all over the Internet
now.

There is no place in The Scriptures, that we can find, that
says we are to start a New Week with the New Moon, or
that every New Moon is a Sabbath, except when
occasionally the New Moon may fall on The Seventh Day,
The Sabbath, and for the New Moon of the Seventh Month,
that is a Commanded Sabbath, The Feast of Trumpets,
The Day of Shoutings.

And the Fact that YAHWEH Commanded to keep the New
Moon of the Seventh Month as a Sabbath, as The Feast of
Trumpets, The Day of Shoutings, Proves that the New
Moons of all the other Months are NOT Sabbaths, except if
they occur on The Seventh Day, The Sabbath.

In fact, it would be no sense at all to Command to keep the
New Moon of the Seventh Month as a Sabbath, IF every
New Moon would be already a Sabbath.

That clearly is NOT True!

And The Scriptures say that we are to start a New Year,
and a New Month by the New Moon, but NOT a New
Week, except when occasionally it occurs.

Again, that too clearly is NOT True!

Let's see what The Scriptures say.

Genesis 1:1-31 -
1 In the beginning The Mightiest One (YAHWEH) created
the heaven and the earth.
2 And the earth was (became) without form, and void; and
darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of
The Mightiest One (YAHWEH) moved upon the face of the
waters.
3 And The Mightiest One (YAHWEH) said, Let there be
light: and there was light.
4 And The Mightiest One (YAHWEH) saw the light, that it
was good: and The mightiest One (YAHWEH) divided the
light from the darkness.
5 And The Mightiest One (YAHWEH) called the light Day,
and the darkness He called Night. And the evening was and
(then) the morning was. Day One.
6 And The Mightiest One (YAHWEH) said, Let there be a
firmament in the midst of the waters, and let it divide the
waters from the waters.
7 And The Mightiest One (YAHWEH) made the firmament,
and divided the waters which were under the firmament
from the waters which were above the firmament: and it
was so.
8 And The Mightiest One (YAHWEH) called the firmament
Heaven. And the evening was and (then) the morning was.
Day Two.
9 And The Mightiest One (YAHWEH) said, Let the waters
under the heaven be gathered together unto one place, and
let the dry land appear: and it was so.
10 And The Mightiest One (YAHWEH) called the dry land
Earth; and the gathering together of the waters He called
Seas: and saw that it was good.
11 And The Mightiest One (YAHWEH) said, Let the earth
bring forth grass, the herb yielding seed, and the fruit tree
yielding fruit after his kind, whose seed is in itself, upon the
earth: and it was so.
12 And the earth brought forth grass, and herb yielding
seed after his kind, and the tree yielding fruit, whose seed
was in itself, after his kind: and The Mightiest One
(YAHWEH) saw that it was good.
13 And the evening was and (then) the morning was. Day
Three.
14 And The Mightiest One (YAHWEH) said, Let there be
lights in the firmament of the heaven to divide the day from
the night; and let them be for signs, and for seasons
(feasts), and for days, and years:
15 And let them be for lights in the firmament of the heaven
to give light upon the earth: and it was so.
16 And The Mightiest One (YAHWEH) made two great
lights; the greater light to rule the day, and the lesser light
to rule the night: He made the stars also.
17 And The Mightiest One (YAHWEH) set them in the
firmament of the heaven to give light upon the earth,
18 And to rule over the day and over the night, and to
divide the light from the darkness: and The Mightiest One
(YAHWEH) saw that it was good.
19 And the evening was and (then) the morning was. Day
Four.
20 And The Mightiest One (YAHWEH) said, Let the waters
bring forth abundantly the moving creature that hath life,
and fowl that may fly above the earth in the open firmament
of heaven.
21 And The Mightiest One (YAHWEH) created great
whales, and every living creature that moveth, which the
waters brought forth abundantly, after their kind, and every
winged fowl after his kind: and The Mightiest One
(YAHWEH) saw that it was good.
22 And The Mightiest One (YAHWEH) blessed them,
saying, Be fruitful, and multiply, and fill the waters in the
seas, and let fowl multiply in the earth.
23 And the evening was and (then) the morning was Day
Five.
24 And The Mightiest One (YAHWEH) said, Let the earth
bring forth the living creature after his kind, cattle, and
creeping thing, and beast of the earth after his kind: and it
was so.
25 And The Mightiest One (YAHWEH) made the beast of
the earth after his kind, and cattle after their kind, and
every thing that creepeth upon the earth after his kind: and
saw that it was good.
26 And The Mightiest One (YAHWEH) said, Let Us make
man in Our image, after Our likeness: and let them have
dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the
air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over
every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.
27 So The Mightiest One (YAHWEH) created man in His
Own image, in the image of The Mightiest One (YAHWEH)
He created him; male and female He created them.
28 And The Mightiest One (YAHWEH) blessed them, and
The Mightiest One (YAHWEH) said unto them, Be fruitful,
and multiply, and replenish the earth, and subdue it: and
have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of
the air, and over every living thing that moveth upon the
earth.
29 And The Mightiest One (YAHWEH) said, Behold, I have
given you every herb bearing seed, which is upon the face
of all the earth, and every tree, in the which is the fruit of a
tree yielding seed; to you it shall be for meat.
30 And to every beast of the earth, and to every fowl of the
air, and to every thing that creepeth upon the earth,
wherein there is life, I have given every green herb for
meat: and it was so.
31 And The Mightiest One (YAHWEH) saw every thing that
He had made, and, behold, it was very good. And the
evening was and (then) the morning was. Day Six.

Genesis 2:1-3 -
1 Thus the heavens and the earth were finished, and all the
host of them.
2 And on the Seventh Day The Mightiest One (YAHWEH)
ended His work which He had made; and He rested on the
Seventh Day from all His work which He had made.
3 And The Mightiest One (YAHWEH) blessed the Seventh
Day, and sanctified it: because that in it He had rested from
all his work which The Mightiest One (YAHWEH) created
and made.

Now lets take a closer look at this.

What day was the very first New Moon on?

It said on the Day Four He made the moon and the sun and
the stars.

Why didn't He make them on the first day, if the New Moon
starts a new Week?

How could the New Moon, on Day Four, be a Sabbath, and
the Seventh Day, three days after it, to be a Sabbath
again?

Clearly He counted from day one to day seven to keep the
day of rest.

He did not start over on Day Four (New Moon) to start a
new Week.

Nor He did keep the day of rest on Day Four (New Moon),
and He did keep the day of rest again on The Seventh Day.

Who knows best when the Sabbath Day is, us or Father
YAHWEH?

Again we ask this, why did YAHWEH not tell the Yahdaim
(Jews) that they were keeping the wrong day as the
Sabbath if they were keeping it wrong?

He sure did meet with the Yahdaim (Jews) on their
Sabbath lots of times.

He sure did talk to them about the Sabbath Day.

So why didn't He tell them, they were keeping the wrong
day then?

We are seeing these teachings of the Lunar Sabbath, all
over the Internet now.

All we can say is: Remember the TRUE Sabbath Day, the
Seventh Day, from morning to evening, from sunrise to
sundown, and keep It Set Apart.

Satan has tried his best to keep YAHWEH's People from
keeping the TRUE Sabbath Day.

First he has tried to pass off 'sunset to sunset' ('evening to
evening', 'dark to dark') day as the Sabbath Day.

Then he has tried to pass off the first day of the week
('sunday') as the Sabbath Day,

Now he is trying to pass off 'any' day of the week, because
if you keep the Sabbath according to the Lunar Sabbath
you will be keeping the Sabbath on different days of the
week.

YAHWEH put into place a seven day week cycle and it has
never changed, no matter what the Roman calendar may
say, there is still a seven day week cycle.

YAHWEH's People, please Remember the TRUE Sabbath
Day, the Seventh Day of each week, from morning to
evening, from sunrise to sundown, and to keep It Set Apart.

[Davide]

Message re-posted from The True Sabbaths And New Moons Group:

From: [e-mail]
Date: Fri Mar 18, 2005 12:15 pm

PART 1

Introduction

The evidence provided here will prove that the true weekly seventh day Sabbath of the Scriptures is observed on the same days of the moon each month, (NOT by Roman Calendar) and that is on the 8th, 15th, 22nd, and 29th of the Moon.

The author offers a $10,000 reward to anyone who can pinpoint a weekly Sabbath on any other day than by the moon. Seventy two weekly Sabbath days, observed by the Holy men of old, have been pinpointed in scriptures and every one of them is on either the 8th, 15th, 22nd, or 29th day of the moon. This is no coincidence; the reason for this is that they never counted the day of the New moon when counting out the six workdays of the week. The New moon is a worship day all by it's self and is not counted when counting out the week, and the month and the week were originally by the Moon, before Julius Cesar changed it in 46-B.C. (See Encyclopedia)

The original months were by the moon and not just a count of 30 or 31 days and the original weeks were by the moon and NOT just count of 1 through 7 as we all were taught. The truth is sometimes stranger than fiction.

The gates of His house were to be shut during the six workdays of the week and open on the Sabbaths and New Moons, which proves that the New moon day is NOT one of the 6 work days of the week. (Ez. 46:1).

(Ezekiel 46:1-31 Thus saith The Master YHWH; the gate of the inner court that looketh toward the east shall be shut the six working days; but on the Sabbath it shall be opened, and in the day of the New moon, it shall be opened. ------but the gate shall not be shut until the evening. Likewise the people of the land shall “worship” at the door of this gate before YHWH in the Sabbaths and in the New Moons. (“beginnings of your months")

The day of the New moon is a “worship” day (Isa. 66:23) and was not counted as one of the six work ordinary days of the week. See also Num 28:11-14,

(Isaiah 66:23, And it shall come to pass, that from one New moon to another, and from one Sabbath to another, shall all flesh come to “worship” before me, saith YHWH

The first workday was on the second day of the moon, and the seventh would be on the eighth day counting from the New moon, an intermission day, with six workdays in between. The same is true from one Sabbath to the next, it is eight days. N.M.,1.2.3.4.5.6.7--1,2,3,4,5,6,7--1,2,3,4,5,6,7--1,2,3,4,5,6,7, New moon day again. From Sabbath to Sabbath is 8 days with 6 work days in-between and from New moon to the 1st Sabbath is 8 days with six work days in-between.
In examining the evidence set forth in this work, you will see the true Sabbath comes after the six workdays and the day of the New moon is NOT one of them. It is exciting to read the examples set forth in this work based on the oldest history book in the world, and an inspired one at that

QUESTIONS AND ANSWERS

Q: Does the Scriptures say the calendar is for Appointments?
A: No.

Q: Does the Scriptures say the moon is for Appointments?
A: Yes. Psalms 104:19 says that He appointed the moon for Appointments (seasons) and Gen. 1:14 says that the great lights are for Appointments (seasons).

Q: Are there any examples of anyone ever keeping a weekly Sabbath on any day other than the 8th, 15th, 22nd, and 29th or by the moon?
A: No.

Q: Did anyone keep the weekly Sabbath on the 8th, 15th, 22nd, and 29th?
A: Yes- Everyone.

At least 72 weekly Sabbaths on these days can be pinpointed in scripture. For example, Ex. 16:1-23 is the first place the word Sabbath, is mentioned and was on the 22nd of the second moon and He said it is the rest of the Holy Sabbath. The last place the word Sabbath is mentioned is in Col. 2:16 - Let no man judge you in respecting it. The weekly Sabbaths can be proven before the Law, under the Law, and before the Crucifixion, during the crucifixion, and after the crucifixion and all were on these days and will be in the New Heaven, and not even one example on any other day other than by the moon. (See "Proof chapter)

Q: If there is no proof of a Sabbath on any other day than by the moon, does the Scriptures say to prove all things?
A: Yes. (I Thes. 5:21)

Q: Do the Scriptures teach that traditions of men would make the Word of YHWH of none effect?
A: Yes. (Matthew 15:6 and Mark 7:13)

Q: What does the Scriptures teach would be for days, years, signs, and seasons? The Heavenly lights or a calendar?
A: Heavenly Lights. (Gen, 1:14) (Psm-104:19)

Q: Was the Old Testament written for our example?
A: Yes. (ICor. 10:10)

Q: Were all examples of a weekly Sabbath kept on the 8th, 15th, 22nd, and 29th , or by the moon?
A: Yes, without exception.

Q: Is all this in the Law?
A: Yes.

Q: Will he that turneth his ear from hearing the Law prayers be an abomination?
A: Yes. (Proverbs 28:9)

Q: Is there any record in the Scriptures of any days or Appointments being kept by a calendar other than by the moon?
A: No.

Q: Is there any record of the Heavenly Calendar being used other than for the Sabbaths?
A: Yes, many examples.

Q: Is the Weekly Sabbath a Feast?
A: Yes. Lev- 23:3

Q: Is the moon for Feasts?
A: Yes. Gen- 1:14 and Psm- 104:19

Q: Am I saying that the calendar count we use for today is a later invention?
A: Yes, it had to be if it was never used in the scripture. It was introduced by Julius Creaser in 46. B.C. (see Encyclopedia under Calendar )

Q: Is there any History to prove that the weeks were originally by the moon?
A: Yes, Even the Universal Jewish Encyclopedia acknowledges it and says the Sabbaths were originally by the phases of the moon also. Also men like Philo the Jew who lived at the same time as our Saviour acknowledge that the week were by the moon alone with Clemet of Alexandra. See documentations in the book.

Q: What are the strongest points for Sabbaths by the moon?
A: Gen. 1:14, Lev-23:3 and Psalms 104:19, and all the examples where the Sabbaths are pinpointed, on the 8th, 15th, 22nd, and 29th. OF THE MOON

Q: What are the strongest points for Sabbath by Roman calendar, according to scripture?
A: There are none.

Q: Is there a $10,000.00 reward to anyone who can prove a weekly Sabbath on any other day than by the Moon?
A: Yes

Q: Did the Jews keep up with the Sabbath?
A: NO. He caused them to forget it. Lam-2:6 He said He would destroy their place of worship and cause His Sabbaths to be forgotten in Zion. Also when they were delivered from Egypt’s bondage, He made His Sabbaths known to Moses and it was on the 8th, 15th, 22nd and 29th. (Ex-16 ch.) They had forgotten the Sabbath in Egypt also.

TRUE TIME

The oldest calendar recorded anywhere is in Gen. 1:14, which speaks of the great lights in the Heavens, it says,. "They shall be for days, years, signs, and seasons." Sure, we can make an artificial calendar and say a day begins at midnight or anytime for that matter, but there is nothing that corresponds to it in Nature. The weekly Rest of YHWH is mentioned very early in the Book of Gen. and the remedy of finding when it begins is also found very early also. In Gen.1:14 speaking of the Great Lights, it says, "they shall be for Seasons", which means appointments or rest days. This should settle any doubt about what governs the weekly and all appointments but for those like myself that have been smothered in traditions of men, I ask that you read this book carefully and prayerfully, before continuing in your doctrine.

Ever wonder what the definition of time is? Time is movement plus conjunction of the Heavenly bodies, without movement plus conjunction, true time cannot be measured. We can say a month has 30 or 31 days but it is an artificial count to notch off 24 hours for a day and just start counting anywhere you wish without some phenomena or conjunction point in the Heavens. This is true also with months, and years. Sure, you can say a year begins January 1st and ends 365 days later, or a month is 30 or 31 days, but nothing in Nature will support this beginning or ending. (by the way, that is where we get the word month; it is from moon, from Nature.)

For true time keeping, you must have a starting point or conjunction found in Nature's lights (they shall be for days, years, signs, and seasons.) If man sets the starting point for time then it is artificial or man made and NOT real time. The Vernal Equinox starts the year and you will always have green ears of barley at this time and new life growing everywhere for the New Year, not like January 1st in the dead of winter when the sap is down and things are dormant etc..

Well, we mention days, months, and years being found in Nature's calendar and showed true starting points at conjunction or revolution points. What about the week? Surely, we can make our own week by notching off seven solar days, even if we cannot do it for the month, days, and years. There is nothing in Nature to mark seven days like the year's/Equinox, the months/Illumination every 29 ½ days or the day's revolution,/dark to dark _ or is there??

Yes, we find in Nature a phenomenon of the moon every seven days. It seems to set or pause/rest at the four phases of the moon (New moon, First quarter, Full moon and Second quarter), then last sliver and from there everything starts over again.

The moon conjuncts at each of these events in Nature and gives us a starting point for counting our weeks and numbering our days. The oldest history (the Scriptures) teaches this is the way it was done, and many examples in the Word prove it and not one to disprove it.

No wonder He said that He gave us the moon for Appointments, or seasons. (Psalms 104:19 "He appointed the moon for seasons: the sun knoweth his going down." Gen. 1:14) "Let them be for days and years and signs and seasons"

The weekly Sabbath is a feast or season (Lev. 23:3) and was the only feast or Appointment in Gen. 1:14. They had not left Egypt or anything at the time for the Annual Appointments. He said; they were meant for feasting. Doesn't it make perfect sense for the beginning and end of a week to be found in Nature the same as the year, day, and month???

There is other supporting evidence in the Universal Jewish encyclopedias, under Sabbath, where they admit that the weekly Sabbaths was originally by the Phases of the moon. The Jews do not follow this method as they hold from Friday evening to Saturday evening as Sabbaths. Also another 100 year old Jewish Encyclopedia confirms the same, write or call for copy.

We want to get back to Nature on the foods we eat, because we know Nature knows best. Why not return to Nature's calendar for observing our weeks; just as we do for observing years, months, and days?

Trash the Roman calendar count and keep YHWH's calendar that is recorded in Genesis 1:14 for true time keeping, and not partake in the changing of times as spoken of by Daniel the Prophet. Whether it is the time the day begins and ends, or the time the week begins and ends, the time the month or the year begins and ends, let us stay with Nature and YHWH's time clock. Read Genesis 1:14 and Psalms 104:19 for the true appointments of YHWH.

Then compare it with Lev-23:3 and see that the same word that is used for feast is also used for seasons and has the same meaning.

WAVE SHEAF

Leviticus 23:9-11 [And YHWH spake unto Moses, saying, Speak unto the children of Israel, and say unto them, When ye be come into the land which I give unto you, and shall reap the harvest thereof, then ye shall bring a sheaf of the firstfruits of your harvest unto the priest: And he shall wave the sheaf before YHWH, to be accepted for you: on the morrow after the Sabbath the priest shall wave it.]

It states that; when they come into the land they were to wave the sheaf of the first fruit on the morrow after the Sabbath, and verse 15 says [And ye shall count unto you from the morrow after the Sabbath, from the day that ye brought the sheaf of the wave offering; seven Sabbaths shall be complete:]

This says that they were to begin a count on the morrow after they brought the sheaf and verse 14 [And ye shall eat neither bread, nor parched corn, nor green ears, until the selfsame day that ye have brought an offering unto your G-d: it shall be a statute for ever throughout your generations in all your dwellings.]

This means they could not eat parched corn, etc., until the self-same day they brought an offering. Now, Josephus and Philo both agree this would always be on the 16th (morrow after the Sabbath/ 15th) when the Priest would wave the sheaf, and they lived in the time when the Priesthood was still active.

This means the Sabbath will always be on the 15th every year, and the only way this can happen is to count the Sabbaths by the moon. It also proves the
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Sabbath in the first moon each year will be on the 15th every time, which is impossible to happen when using the Roman calendar.

In Joshua 5:10-12 [And the children of Israel encamped in Gilgal, and kept the Passover on the fourteenth day of the month at even (this Hebrew word even is dark) in the plains of Jericho. And they did eat of the old corn of the land on the morrow after the Passover, unleavened cakes, and parched corn in the selfsame day. (16th) And the manna ceased on the morrow after they had eaten of the old corn of the land; (same morrow) neither had the children of Israel manna any more; but they did eat of the fruit of the land of Canaan that year.]

We see that they came into the land and did exactly what was told them. They kept the Passover on the fourteenth day at even (night, which begins the 15th). In verse 10, they ate parched corn, etc. On the morrow after the Passover (15th), this would be the 16th. This proves the 15th was the Sabbath and 16th was the morrow after, or the 1st day of the week as the two Historians who watched the Priest doing it this way confirm. The manna ceased on the exact same morrow (or the 16th) forty years later. It had begun forty years earlier on the 16th (Exodus 16-ch).

In addition, we can prove the Messiah rose on the 16th of Abib which is the 1st day of the week, when the first fruit was to be lifted up and He was the first fruit of them that sleep. (I Corinthians 15:20-23 "But now is Christ risen from the dead, and become the firstfruits of them that slept. For since by man came death, by man came also the resurrection of the dead. For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive. But every man in his own order: Christ the firstfruits; afterward they that are Christ's at his coming.)" He did not rise on the 17th or 18th, as some suppose. He rose the third day which was the 1st day of the week, according to the Scriptures, and the only Scripture to be found is the first fruit of the wave sheaf, which was on the 16th, and He was truly the first fruit, and was waved or presented to the Father on the 16th according to the scriptures. Lev-23:11, "And he shall wave the sheaf before the YHWH, to be accepted for you: on the morrow after the Sabbath the priest shall wave it. .

JERICHO MARCH

Have you ever wondered how the children of Israel could have marched around Jericho without marching on the Sabbath? Maybe you have, maybe you have not. Maybe you have thought that it was simply allowed by Yahweh, and is a case of exemption in battle. What ever you have previously understood concerning this colossal event, here is something to consider.
Let me point out that those who believe the Sabbath to be a reoccurring seven day count have to admit that Israel marched around the city of Jericho on the weekly Sabbath day. This is seen in the book of Joshua 6:2-4.
` see from the passage in Exodus 16:29 that no unnecessary travel was to be done on the Sabbath. Acts 1:12 simply shows us that this is what was understood by Israelites living in the 1st century A.D.

So, did Yahweh command a battle attack consisting of a march to take place on the Sabbath?

Well, once again, for those insisting on a continual unbroken seven day count for the Sabbath, the answer would have to be yes.
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And I'm sure one could give a few answers to why Yahweh seemed to allow this to take place. However, is there any possibility that Yahweh did not command a march to take place on the Sabbath? Yes, there certainly is.

According to the teaching which claims the Sabbath to be fixed in the heavens according to the moon and its phases, a Sabbath falls out to be on the 8th, 15th, 22nd, and 29th days of each and every lunation. Reason being is that the day of the New moon is not counted as one of the six working days (Ezekiel 46:1-3) thus the Sabbath count stops once each month at the day of the New moon. If the march of Jericho started on the day of the New moon then it would have ended on the 7th day of that month! This would allow for Israel to not have traveled on the Sabbath! However, we do face a dilemma; the book of Joshua does not give us any conclusive evidence that the march began on the New moon, although the possibility is still there. This is why I would now like to direct your attention to what is known as the book of Jasher.

The book of Jasher is mentioned twice in the Holy Scriptures, and was considered as an honorable source of information. This is seen by noticing the context in which it was mentioned. In my book of Jasher on page 244, verse 14 through 17 tells that YHWH spoke to Joshua on the 1st day of the 2nd month and told him to rise up and go march around Jericho once each day for 6 day and on the 7th day seven times for I have delivered the city with all the people in to thy hand.

From our understanding of the true Sabbaths by the great lights, we knew the possibility of not marching on the Holy Sabbath was there because of the New moon day or days but the Book of Jasher pinpoints that the march beginning on the 1st day of the month which confirmed our suspicions. I am told that in the Sutaphigra or something like that, it says if anyone takes counsel to make war on the Sabbath is to be put to death. I will check on this later.

One example is found in The Talmud the Steinsaltz Edition", Volume XIV Tractate Ta'anit Part II (1995 by Israel Institute for Talmudic Publications and Milta Books), pages 205-206. It says the following regarding the destruction of the Jewish Temple in Jerusalem-built by Solomon, and destroyed by Nebuchadnezzar's army: Page 205: "Then late on the day of
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the ninth, close to nightfall, they set the Temple on fire, and it continued to burn the entire next day, on the tenth." Page 206: "When the Temple was destroyed for the first time at the hands of Nebuzaradan [captain of the guard], that day was the ninth of Av, and it was the day following Shabbat, and it was the year following the Sabbatical Year.... And similarly when the Temple was destroyed a second time at the hands of Titus, the destruction occurred on the very same day, on the ninth of Av."

[Davide]

Message re-posted from The True Sabbaths And New Moons Group:

From: [e-mail]
Date: Fri Mar 18, 2005 12:15 pm

PART 2

A CLOSER LOOK AT EXODUS 16TH CHAPTER

For those who are leaning toward the Quails falling on the 15th (Sabbath) because of the words "between the evenings," here are a few things we must consider.

The only evening the Scriptures speak of is the type in the book of Genesis. The evening and morning was the first day, evening and morning the second day. The evening (night) is what begins and ends a Scriptural day, and "between the evening" would have to be somewhere between dark and dark. Remember the light He called day and the darkness He called night, and the evening (night) and the morning (light) were the first day.

Another thing to consider is the Father is going to prove them whether they will keep His law or not. Ex.16:4 states the Father is going to give them a certain rate of manna every day for six days, and on the sixth day, they shall gather it and it will be twice as much (v.5) because on the Sabbath (22nd), in it there shall be none. (v.26)

When you are teaching your children right from wrong, you do not set a bad example that is contrary to what you are teaching. Raining down Quail on the Holy Sabbath for the children to gather on that day to clean and cook, and then telling them not to even gather manna on the Sabbath day is not what the Father did or taught.

The understanding of "between the evenings" in verse 6. Moses and Aaron
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both said that in the evening (night) YHWH shall give flesh to eat (at night) and in the morning (daylight) (part of the same day) bread to the full.

Note: He said morning (light) not morrow (next day) _ two different words in the Hebrew. Morning is IN the same day as the evening, which began the day (evening and morning); morrow is the following day (tomorrow). Read verse 13 _ "And it came to pass at even, (dark on the 16th) the quails came up and covered the ground and in morning (light of the 16th) dew lay round about the host."

All this does not contradict verse 12 where the Father said I heard the murmurings (on the 15th) of the children of Israel: "Speak unto them, saying, at evening (between the evenings), ye shall eat flesh, and in the morning (still between the same evening at day light) ye shall be filled with bread." They ate quail between the darks on the 16th.

Now you have a choice as to the meaning of between two evenings, one meaning on the 15th Sabbath, making the Father work on the Sabbath and causing the children to work instead of rest. Or it is between the two evenings (the 16th and 17th a workday) the quail and manna occurred both on the same day (16th) as the word meaning infers.

The lamb was to be slain on the 14th "between the two evenings," and Deuteronomy chapter 16 says "at the going down of the sun." Here is another specific time, as the sun starts its downward stroke after its Apex On the 14th.

Another specific time "between the evenings" is the morning and evening Sacrifices where both lambs were sacrificed on the same day, the 1st one in the morning and the 2nd one at evening, (between the evenings). The time is specified as morning, and evening sacrifices and both are between the even of same day (evening and morning of the 16th.) The word evening used here is "between the evens" and the 2nd lamb was to be slain on the same day as the morning Sacrifice but between the two evens. This proves that between the two evens is referring to between the two darks, on the same day.

This helps shed more light on the subject, and does not make our Heavenly
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Father break His own Law. It is known that the miracle of quails could have been an act of mercy on the Sabbath, but upon the preponderance of evidence, it was not. He would have waited a few more hours until dark before He would break the Sabbath, especially considering the lesson He was about to teach them concerning the manna, not to be gathered on the Sabbath day and not only the gathering, but the catching, cleaning, and cooking of quails on the Sabbath.(15th). It would be a bad example in anybody's book. If anyone does the math he will see the weekly Sabbaths that were made known to Moses, were with out a doubt on the 8th15th, 22nd, and 29th. Of the MOON, NOT solar calendar.

Bottom line is, we know for a fact that the 1st day of manna was on the 16th and continued for six days and none found on the 22nd because that was the weekly Sabbath, which makes the 15th a Sabbath also, no matter if the Quails were given on that day or not.

Sum try to say that they were traveling on the Sabbath day in Exodus 16th chapter, and in the King James translation it seemed to be a possibility but the Hebrew and the Septuagint proves otherwise. Let’s examine the passage and I will quote a brief excerpt from a NON Lunar Sabbath keeper Fred R. Coulture who is the author of the Christian Passover and several other works. He attended the University of San Francisco and graduated from San Mateo State College before graduating from Ambassador College, Pasadena, California, with a BA in theology in 1964. below is his non bias study, which proves they were not traveling on the Sabbath in Ex-16th chapter.

“And they took their journey from Elim, and all the congregation of the children of Israel came unto the wilderness of sin, which is between Elim and Sinai, on the 15th day of the second month after their departing out of the land of Egypt. And the whole congregation of the children of Israel murmured against Moses and Aaron in the wilderness.”

This translation makes it appear that Israel arrived at the wilderness of sin while the 15th day was in progress. The Hebrew text, however, does not support the assertion that Israel travel on the 15th day. The present of a major logical pause between the verb “came” and the words “on the 15th day” verifies this fact. This logical pause is denoted by the use of the atnah, and which resembles an upside down “V,” under the Hebrew word for “Sinai.” (See Biblical Hebraic Stuttartessia. )

The atnah and other accents are essential to understanding the thought that are being conveyed in the Hebrew text. These accent marks are all part of a system that I“ ----- punctuates the text and is therefore a very important feature in its syntactic analysis--- this feature of Hebrew grammar is so important for understanding that medieval Jewish scholars paid more attention to it than to establishing the correct pronunciation of words” (Waltke, An introduction to Biblical Hebrew Syntax, p. 29).

Waltke describes the use of the atnah and other accents to express divisions of thought in the Hebrew text of: “Accents in the Masoretic Text are of two kinds: and disjunctives and conjunctives. Disjunctive accents, euphemistically dubbed “lords” by earlier scholars, mark the length of pauses from full stop (Complete break in logical thought) to various shades of shorter pauses (partial break in logical thought); and conjunctives, dubbed “servants,” control the text up to the disjunctive. According to W. Wickes’s comprehensive study of the accents, the disjunctives mark a continuous “dichotomy” of the verse, that is, they divide large units (of thought), beginning with the verse itself (marked off by sillug closing the verse), into successfully smaller half- units of syntactic (or logico-syntactics ) basis. A unit ending with a disjunctive of one grade is divided into halves, and its halves in turn are divided into smaller units by other disjunctive signs until the whole verse is divided into single words or groups of words joined by conjunctives. Israel Yeivin groups the major disjunctive accents as follows: Generally atnah devides the verse, “zaqef” the verse halves, pashta or “revia” the unit ending with “zaqef,” and so on” (lbid., emphasis added).

In translating Exodus 16: 1, Owens indicates the presence of the atnah by parsing the Hebrew word for Sinai as “pr.n.paus.” (proper noun pausal). The division of thought that is expressed by the atnah is illustrated in his translation below:

“they set out from Elim and came all the congregation of the people of Israel to the wilderness of sin which is between Elim and Sinai (logical Pause) on the five ten day of the month second after they had departed from the land of Egypt and murmured the whole congregation of the people of Israel against Moses and Aaron in the wilderness” (Analytical Key to the Old Testament, vol. 1).

The logical pause in Exodus 16:1: divides the thoughts that follow from the preceding thoughts that are expressed in the verse. The Septuagint, which follows the logical markings of the text very closely, translates this passage as follows: “and they departed from Elim, and all the congregation of the children of Israel came to the wilderness of sin, which is between Elim and Sinai; “and”on the fifteenth day, in the second month after their departure from the land of Egypt, all the congregation of the children of Israel murmured against Moses and Aaron.”

The presence of the logical pause in Exodus 16: 1 shows that Israel had come to the wilderness of sin and made camp by the beginning of the fifteenth day. When the fifteenth day arrived, Israel complained to Moses that YHWH had brought then to the desert to die. Thus there is no basis for the claim that Israel was traveling on the15th day.

[Davide]

Message re-posted from The True Sabbaths And New Moons Group:

From: [e-mail]
Date: Fri Mar 18, 2005 12:15 pm

PART 3

TRUE SABBATH

The Scriptures teaches that ALL days are ordinary workdays, unless the Word of YHWH deems them otherwise. With no adding to or taking away from the Word, all days are ordinary days except the ones He designates as worship days. For example, the Scriptures teaches us that after six workdays we are to rest. (Gen. 2:2, Ex. 16:26, Ex. 20:8-11, and Lev. 23:6) We are not only to rest, but it is a worship day, a Holy day set apart, a sanctified intermission from the previous workdays. Intermission or rest from what? The six ordinary workdays. The sun rises and sets on every day alike, but by the Moon, we are told which ones are not ordinary days.

Without the Moon, we would not know which days He has chosen because they all look alike. The Moon will signal the days with its light, which increases and decreases.

For example, the seventh month, fifteenth day of the Moon is an intermission, along with the 1st, 8th, 10th, 22nd, and 29th. We are to assemble for worship. Lev. 23:3 teaches that after six ordinary workdays, there will be a worship day.

Two months are outlined in the Scriptures and specifically telling which days are Holy Convocations or worship days.

For example, in the seventh Moon, the New moon is a worship day:
Ez.46:1-31 "Thus saith The Master YHWH ; the gate of the inner court that looketh toward the east shall be shut the six working days; but on the Sabbath it shall be opened, and in the day of the New moon, it shall be opened. And the prince shall enter by the way of the porch of that gate without, and shall stand by the post of the gate, and the priests shall prepare his burnt offering and his peace offerings, and he shall worship at the threshold of the gate: then he shall go forth; but the gate shall not be shut until the evening. Likewise the people of the land shall worship at the door of this gate before in the Sabbaths and in the New Moons. )

(Isa. 66:23, And it shall come to pass, that from one New moon to another, and from one Sabbath to another, shall all flesh come to worship before me, saith YHWH.

See also Num 28:11-14 which refers to worship on all the New Moons throughout the year (Num. 10:2, 7, 8, 10; Num 29:1; Lev. 23:24). Without question the New moon is not one of the six ordinary workdays.

Now it says nothing about day two through seven anywhere. Therefore, we work those six days, but we are admonished to rest after six workdays, which would be the eighth day of the seventh Moon. We are not forbidden to work the ninth, but are commanded to rest and worship on the tenth with no food. Now we assume we can eat the other 364 days of the year. Why not assume, we can work on ordinary days that are not designated worship days?

After the tenth, there is no commandment not to work on the eleventh through the fourteenth, except on man's calendar. After the tenth has passed, we assume we can eat and work on the eleventh through the fourteenth, but we are commanded to rest on the fifteenth. It is a worship day. (Num. 29:12)Now we are not commanded to fast or worship the next six days (16th -21st), but we are ordered to dwell in booths seven days from the 15th to the 21st (Lev. 23: 40-43) Now we are ordered to keep the eighth (22nd), counting from the fifteenth day, which will be the 22nd, another worship day.

Counting on, with the instructions of the Heavenly Father there is no Holy worship day on the 23rd through the 28th, but the pattern of rest and worship after six workdays applies on the 29th, unless you use man's calendar. There is a New moon rebuilding and sometimes it starts after the day does, making the next evening and morning the first day of the rebuilding or 1st day of the New moon. Sometimes the new month starts rebuilding before the 29th ends, so the first evening and morning after the rebuilding would be the first day of the New moon giving us 29- and 30- day months.

The scripture teaches that the New moon is a worship day. It is a day of no buying and selling and is not one of the 6 ordinary workdays of the week (Ez. 46:1, Isa. 66:23, Amos 8:5).

"Saying, When will the New moon be gone, that we may sell corn? and the Sabbath, that we may set forth wheat," Amos 8:5
After that, there is no commandment not to work on day two of the Moon through day seven, but we must take an intermission on day eight for worship because the 8th day is the seventh day or Sabbath from the first workday after the New moon worship day. Then, six more workdays, then rest and worship on the 15th, etc. This goes on year after year from one New moon to another and one Sabbath to another, even into the New Heaven and New Earth, which He will make. (Isa.66:23)

"And it shall come to pass, that from one New moon to another, and from one Sabbath to another, shall all flesh come to worship before me, saith the YHWH."

Our Heavenly Father gives us specific instructions as to which days of the year to set apart for rest and worship and gives us the moon to tell which days they are. We are not to add to or to diminish from what He orders, by inventing a calendar of our own. So, changing the Laws and Times of worship as spoken of by Daniel the Prophet, concerning the Roman Empire (Daniel 7:25) and fulfilled by Julius Caesar the Roman Emperor, where he removed the Moon as a basis for the calendar. (See Encyclopedia under Calendar)

We must speak where the Scriptures speaks, and be silent when it is silent. The universe is self contained and has it’s own built in calendar and does not need man to tell when a year begins and ends, or a month, or a day, or a week.

The Roman calendar is a recent invention, an evil instrument designed to confuse and destroy the true times and Appointments of YHWH, just as the false fires sent up by the enemy to get us off the true Sabbaths, and New Moons. To verify, check your calendar to see if the first day of the month lines up with the first day of the Moon (month) on YHWH 's calendar that He gave to man kind "and they (sun, Moon, and stars) shall be for signs and seasons, days and years." (Gen 1:14) In other words, they shall beacon you for the appointment days of YHWH. Appointments mean seasons and signs mean beacons. (See concordance)

To further prove the Appointments or intermissions occur after the six working days (not counting the New moon) save the tenth day in the seventh month, which breaks up the six workdays and the twenty-first day in the first Moon each year. The second day of the New moon is the first workday and the Sabbaths are on the 8th, 15th, 22nd, and 29th.

The first pinpointed Sabbath is in Exodus, chapter 16, and is on the 22nd day of the Moon (Ex. 16:22, 23) and, if you count backwards the second day of the Moon is the first workday OF THE WEEK, and the Sabbaths are on the 8th, 15th, 22nd, and 29th.

The same thing can be seen again in the Crucifixion Week. The Sabbath is on the 15th. (John 19:31 "and Luke 23:54,-56)

31The Jews therefore, because it was the preparation, that the bodies should not remain upon the cross on the Sabbath day, (for that Sabbath day was an high day,) "and Luke 23:54,-56) 53And he took it down, and wrapped it in linen, and laid it in a sepulchre that was hewn in stone, wherein never man before was laid. 54And that day was the preparation, and the Sabbath drew on." "That" Sabbath day was not only a weekly Sabbath, but was the 1st day of Unleavened bread.

A simple count backwards tells us that the first workday is the second day of the Moon, which places the weekly Sabbaths on the 8th, 15th, 22nd, and 29th and if our Savior had not been killed on the 14th, He would have kept the 15th Sabbath, as was His custom.

Preachers try to create another Sabbath on the 17th during the Crucifixion Week, but if that were so, then the 10th day of that Moon would have to be a Sabbath also, but the Scriptures proves otherwise in John 12:1. It says that it was six days before Passover (Passover is referring to the 15th, see Luke 22:1, and compare them.

six days before the 15th would be on the 9th of the Moon and verse twelve says on the next day, the 10th, He came to Jerusalem. Now, notice the 10th is when the Passover lamb was to be put up (He is the Lamb) on the 10th, a very busy day for the Jews, and this was definitely not a Sabbath because,

#1, He would have broken the Fathers law by riding the ass and causing it to work on the Sabbath, if the 10th were a Sabbath. And

#2, they were working by cutting tree limbs, etc.,

#3. but most of all they were buying and selling on that day,

#4. and He entered the house of YHWH and healed a man on the 10th and they said what a wonderful work, instead of accusing Him of breaking the Sabbath.

This all proves the 10th was not a Sabbath and therefore the 17th could not have been a Sabbath either. There is another understanding for the three days and three nights in the heart of the earth. (See Bro- Mathew’s Sign of Johan)

You can prove this in Luke 19:35-45. Matthew 21:2-15 tells how He came riding on an ass and how He entered the Temple where they were buying and selling. The 10th was a very busy day each year for everybody, it was a scheduled workday by YHWH. It would be pure confusion to have a commanded non-work day, or Sabbath fall on this day, or any workday like the fourteenth day of the first Moon when everybody is to kill and prepare the Passover. It is a commanded workday, and would be pure confusion.

And Luke 22:1) says
"Now the feast of unleavened bread drew nigh, which is called the Passover." (The 15th is Unleavened bread) Another says "It was the preparation of the Passover and Pilot said behold thy King" This proves Passover was referring to the 15th, NOT 14th as Passover. (See also John 13:1)

Another place the New moon and Sabbaths are pinpointed is John 9:14. To prove this compare the following verses. John 7:2 tells us that the Feast of Tabernacles was at hand. Verse 10 tells that He went up to It. Verse 37 tells us that on the last day of the Feast of Tabernacles, which is the 21st. (Lev. 23:32 and Ez. 45:25) and Nehemiah -8:18 where it says "Also day by day, from the first day unto the "last day", he read in the book of the law of G-d. And they kept the feast "seven days"; and on the eighth day was a solemn assembly, according unto the manner. WE see here that the "LAST" day of the feast is the 21st and NOT the 22nd, no matter what man’s tradition says. Manner means Law. (see concordance)

John 8:1 tells us that He went to the Mt. of Olives and verse 2 says that early in the morning He came again into the temple and taught (on the 22nd Sabbath) and verse 59 says that He went out of the temple and passed by. Chapter 9:1 tells of seeing the blind man as He passed by him. Verse 6 says He made clay, and verse 14 says it was the Sabbath (22nd) when He made the clay, which proves the 22nd was on a Sabbath.

The second day of the Moon would be the first workday of the week again, and the weekly Sabbaths were on the 8th, 15th, 22nd, and 29th. How could we fail to see these Sabbaths always being on these set days of the Moon?

Moreover, Our Savior (the Son of YHWH) was keeping Sabbaths by the Heavenly lights that were created in Heaven and not by man's calendar. The Heavenly Sabbath was on the 22nd. He, also, kept the 29th as a Sabbath. Won't you also follow his example?

Paul was also using YHWH's calendar after the Crucifixion in Acts 20:7 He mentions the first day of the week, which was on the second day of the Moon. (Acts 20:5, 6, 7) "They sailed away from Philippi after the days of unleavened bread, 23rd or 24th and came unto them in Troas in five days (26th), where they stayed seven days." (The five days was five days from the days of Unleavened Bread, not a five-day boat ride because it is only 150 mi. or less from Philippi to Troas)

The seventh day of this stay was the second day of the Moon and Paul calls this second day of the Moon, the first day of the week, and that puts the Sabbaths again on the 8th, 15th, 22nd, and 29th.

Counting the 26th as the first day of Paul‘s stay, the 27th as the second, the 28th as the third, the 29th as the fourth, the 30th as the fifth day, the first or New moon day as the sixth day of Paul‘s stay, and the second day of the Moon is the seventh day of Paul's stay at Troas and would be the first day of the week because the new moon day is a worship day of no buying and selling and is not counted in counting out the weeks. The Scriptures calls this second day of the Moon the first day of the week, when they broke bread, because they only stayed seven day, and the first day of the week was the seventh day that they stayed and it was the second day of the Moon, the first workday of the week, this proves Paul kept the weekly Sabbath on the 8th day of this 2nd Moon, then the 15th, 22nd, and 29th. Won't you follow Him as He follows the master?

The Sabbaths were on the 8th, 15th, 22nd, and 29th in the second Moon, just like in Exodus, chapter 16. Remember, this was in the second Moon also. Apostle Paul remembered the True Sabbath day to keep it Holy and following the Savior's example on the 8th, 15th, etc. There is much proof. Think on this awhile, Paul kept the Sabbath on the 22nd day of the second month which was the exact day and month that Moses was commanded to keep, many years earlier when the Sabbath was made known to him by these words, "it is the rest of the Holy Sabbath" and it was on the 22nd of the moon. (Ex.- 16:23).

The 22nd day of the moon will be a Sabbath, just as it was when the Savior made the clay on the 22nd. (John 9:14 "And it was the Sabbath day when He made the clay, and opened his eyes.")

Solomon kept the Sabbath on the 22nd in the 7th month.

(2.Chronicles7:9-10 "And in the eighth day they made a solemn assembly:
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(2.Chronicles7:9-10 "And in the eighth day they made a solemn assembly: for they kept the dedication of the altar seven days, and the feast seven days. And on the three and twentieth day of the seventh month he sent the people away into their tents, glad and merry in heart for the goodness that YHWH had shewed unto David, and to Solomon, and to Israel his people.)"

If the feast was kept 7 days, from the 15th - 21, why not send the people away on the 22nd instead of the 23rd?? Was it because it was a Sabbath according to the Law/manner??

The same 22nd of each moon will be a Sabbath just as He said to Moses "it is the rest of the Holy Sabbath" (Exodus 16:23.). This is no coincidence, no more than every time we walk in the rain we get wet.

The command to keep the Sabbath is found in the Law of YHWH (Torah), and to know when it is, is also found in the Law of YHWH. You do not have to go outside of the Scriptures to find when the Sabbath begins and consult with man's calendar. Do we really believe a command that carried the death penalty if not obeyed would be left up to man's calendar and not the Heavenly calendar for days, years, signs, and seasons? (Gen. 1:14)

The only calendar that cannot be tampered with by man is YHWH's calendar. If you have to go outside the Word to find when a year begins (January 1st) or when a day begins (12:00 a.m.) or how long a month is (30 or 31 days), then YHWH's times are not honored. The same is true with the weekly Sabbath; it is also found in the Scriptures, with ought having to go outside of them.

With every Commandment there are Statutes and Judgments. The Commandment tell us what He wants us to do and the Judgments tells us what will happen if we don’t do them but by the Statutes we are told how to do the Commandments. He does not tell us to do something that carries the DEATH penalty with ought telling us how it is to be done with ought having to go out side the scriptures to ask someone how to do it. We have a Commandment to keep the Feast of Unleavened bread on the 15th of the 1st month or be cut off from YHWH and the moon is the statute that shows us how to find it. The Commandment is to keep the feast, the Judgment is to be cut off if we rebel and the moon is the Statute telling us how to do it.

The weekly feast is no different and it is one of his Holy appointments that is listed in Lev-23 alone with the other Holy Convocations that are found by the moon.

If the time of a day, year, month, or week is not found in the Scriptures, then it is not right. All of these are found in Nature and Nature has a way of signaling when the year begins (Equinox), or when a day begins (dark), or when a month begins (New moon Conjunction), or when a week begins (phases of the Moon _ New moon, First quarter, Full, and Second quarter). All of these are conjunctions found in Nature without man's calendar or artificial time keeping devices. You can find the Feast days and the Holy convocations by the Moon without a man-made calendar; you can find the right month and the right day of the month, all by the Moon, why not the weekly Holy convocations?

For example, the seventh month, tenth day of the Moon is the Day of Atonement, easy to find without a calendar, then the fifteenth day of the Moon, which is the first day of Tabernacles. If all of these Holy days of YHWH can be found without going out of the Scriptures to man's calendar, then why cannot the weekly Holy days or Sabbaths be found in the Scriptures also?

By finding the workdays, you can determine the non-workdays or Sabbaths (intermissions) and the only way you can find the workdays is by the Moon.

You begin each month with the New moon as a worship day (Isa. 66:23; Ez. 46:1; Amos 8:5), then count the six workdays, and rest on the seventh (the weekly Sabbath), which will be on the eighth day of the Moon. This is how the Holy men of old understood it and did it. There are too many examples where they did it this way to refute it and no examples where they did it any other way.

We are accused of breaking the weekly cycle, and this accusation is true. It needs breaking because; it is a man-made cycle, not found anywhere in Nature or Scripture, unlike the cycles for the year, day, and month. A man called Julius Caesar broke the true cycle in 46 B.C. when he had a calendar made and disregarded the Moon cycles in the calculations. He used a 30-31 day count for the months no matter what the True Moon did. Thus, changing times and Laws as prophesied by Daniel the Prophet.

The Roman week is an artificial measurement of time and is not found in Nature or the Scriptures, the same as the year beginning in January, and the day beginning at 12 a.m., and the month, beginning every 30-31 days. None of these is found in Nature or Scripture, they are artificial measurements of time and traditions of men. There is no where in scripture that teaches that the Sabbath is a continuous 1 through 7 count with no interruptions, it is not a Hamster in a cage type thing, but the New moon gives the Sabbaths a rest each month.

[Davide]

Message re-posted from The True Sabbaths And New Moons Group:

From: [e-mail]
Date: Fri Mar 18, 2005 12:15 pm

PART 4

INTERNATIONAL DATE LINE

A strong proof against the man made Julian/Gregorian/Roman Calendar is that it’s starting point does not begin in the heavens but begins with an imaginary line existing partly between Russian and Alaska known as the International Date Line (IDL). It is possible and even proven beyond any shadow of doubt that you will have Friday on one side of this line and Saturday on the other side of the same line, while both sides of the line are under the exact same evening and morning. This is nothing but pure, adulterated confusion.

You could have preparation day as the evening arrives on one side of the line, and the sabbath on the other side, a whole day apart. Thus, when one side is keeping the sabbath holy the other side is keeping preparation day. The following day these people will keep sabbath and the one’s already keeping sabbath previously will go to work on the 1st day of the week. That’s enough to make your head spin. Ask yourself; can the day be holy on one side of the street and not holy on the other side? Only with man’s calendar does this happen. You do not have this problem with the heavenly calendar of YHWH because the starting point exists in heaven. For example, if both sides of the IDL are looking at the moon and count six workdays and rest on the seventh, then as it gets dark, both sides will be keeping the same day, and both sides will be holy unto YHWH. Just imagine the IDL running through the land of Canaan in Scripture, inhabited by

YHWH’s people, the Israelites. You would have Israelites camping on either side of the line. On one side it is the sabbath and on the other it is preparation as with the aforementioned scenario. YHWH does not work like that, because he is not the author of confusion. The sabbath is the sabbath for all His people.

Now, let us examine the currently accepted seven-day cycle. People assume the weeks are strictly solar when in fact they have a deeply rooted lunar aspect to them. The Scripture never mentions a seven-day cycle. It is more akin to a pattern of rest after six workdays, and the new moon is not one of the workdays. To prove the cycle is in error just simply stop, think, and ponder. The earth is said to spin on its axis every 24 hours causing a cycle. If someone were to walk east toward the sun while someone else stayed still, then the one walking would meet the sun earlier and earlier each day than the one sitting still, gradually gaining time until they get 10 hours… 15 hours… and eventually 24 hours ahead of the ones sitting still; a full day ahead.

Now if the one walking travels around the earth back to where the one standing still is, he will have gained one whole day, because he made an extra cycle around the earth while the other sat still waiting each day for the sunrise. The traveler actually gained a sunrise at the end of the journey around the earth, even if it took twenty years to complete. This is a fact that cannot be denied, and given this fact, people keeping the man-made calendar cycle have serious problems. If half of a group of people decide to go into the world evangelizing the good news, and they migrate around the world keeping the “seven day cycle” guess what happens. When they meet up with the other half of the tribe twenty years later, or their descendants 2,000 years later, they would be one day apart in their sabbath keeping, even though they have the same calendar and neither missed a beat on the “seven-day cycle”.

Would you expect the travelers to go back around the world to get on the same day as the others? Would you rather expect them to deny the cycle of six workdays counting the new moon in with the workdays, and just get back with the other half by losing a day and change the cycle they kept the last twenty years, or their ancestors did for the last 2,000 years? If someone left Israel and traveled east around the world and came again from the west, they would be keeping the sabbath a day ahead of those that stayed. This would not have been noticed if everyone in Israel had migrated around the world and came back because they were keeping the “seven-day cycle” and no one could tell them they were in another day, and both days could not be the day YHWH rested on in the beginning.

You can prove this by picturing two people on a merry-go-round, which would represent the earth spinning and someone counting each time they came around. This person represents the sun. If one person is sitting on the merry-go-round and the other walks toward the way they are spinning, the one walking will see and eventually pass the person watching and counting before the one sitting. The one walking sees the counter sooner and sooner, and when the one walking gets back to where the one is sitting; the one walking will have been counted once more as they passed the counter. By keeping this cycle and this calendar it is possible for three people to keep three different days as the sabbath, and all be right according to the Roman calendar “cycle”. This is not so with the moon and the true, natural patterns of YHWH. Consider the information taken from one particular article concerning the IDL as it relates to time keeping, including the sabbath day.
“A second objection to a fixed week Sabbath is the problem of the International Date Line. In Tonga, the Seventh-day Adventist church worships on Sunday, because when a change was made to the line (evidently by the King of Tonga), Saturday became Sunday. This makes plain the ridiculousness of drawing an arbitrary line of demarcation between our days. History gives us several examples of this problem:

1) In 1844 Narciso Claveria, the governor general of the Philippines, issued a proclamation announcing that Monday, 30 December 1844, was to be immediately followed by Wednesday, 1 January 1845.

2) In 1867 Alaska was sold to the United States for what by many was then considered to be the absurd large sum of $7,200,000. The change to the American mode of time reckoning was put into effect by decreeing that Friday, 6 October, of the same year would be followed by Friday (sic), 18 October – a shift of 12 days due to the change to the Gregorian calendar, plus one day on account of the day change and minus one day for the relocation of the date line to the waters of the Bering Strait.

3) A similar adjustment of the date line occurred in 1892 when king Malietoa Laupepa of Samoa was persuaded by a major American business house trading in that region to adopt the American day reckoning instead of the Australian (or Asian) day reckoning. In a fine stroke of diplomatic flattery this was put into effect by ordaining that the 4th of July in that year would be celebrated twice.

4) The Kiribati adjustment of 1994/95 - The most recent major adjustment of the International Date Line was announced in 1994 by the government of Kiribati. This extended group of islands (comprising the Gilbert, Phoenix and Line Islands) forms an independent republic within the British Commonwealth since 1979. Spread across an ocean area of no less than five million square kilometres, it consists of some 33 small atolls with a total surface area of only 717 square kilometres. About twenty of these atolls are inhabitable, totalling about 85 thousand inhabitants.

For many years the International Date Line, that for historic reasons bisected the island republic into two halves, had been viewed as an annoying economic nuisance. The western part of the republic was always 24 hours ahead of its eastern part, and there were only four days in each week when official business could be conducted between both parts. To put an end to this situation, Teburoro Tito, the president of Kiribati, announced that on 1 January 1995 the International Date Line would henceforth run along the many-cornered eastern boundary of the republic. It was only realized afterwards that the Kiribati’s most easterly islands would become serious contenders in the race of which place in the Pacific would be the first to greet the rays of the rising sun at the begin of the new millennium.

For more info see: www.phys.uu.nl/~vgent/idl/idl.htm

Any map or globe that has the International Date line on it shows us the shortcomings of our modern way of calculating days. In essence it tells us that man can determine when a day begins and ends. If this is so, then really man can establish or set apart which day Sabbath is, and when it begins and ends. In essence, man places himself in the place of YHWH as the one who sets apart, or sanctifies a day. Even if man did have such authority, the place we have chosen to place the line is inconsistent with the habitation of the globe. Since the West met the East on the shores of the Atlantic, as the Native American's came over the Bering Strait long before Spanish Americans colonized the Pacific, a line to set apart the days ought really to be down the Atlantic. The whole problem is solved, however, with a lunar calendar.

[Davide]

Message re-posted from The True Sabbaths And New Moons Group:

From: PWC <[e-mail]>
Date: Wed Mar 30, 2005 4:06 pm


Dear Br. Arnold,
Below you state that there are 72 sabbaths pinpointed on the 8th, 15th, 22nd, and 29th of the Moon. Would you be so kind as to post all of your scriptural citations so that they may be examined and studied out by the rest of us?

YashaNa.
Br. Paul


[e-mail] wrote:
Introduction

The evidence provided here will prove that the true weekly seventh day Sabbath of the Scriptures is observed on the same days of the moon each month, (NOT by Roman Calendar) and that is on the 8th, 15th, 22nd, and 29th of the Moon.

The author offers a $10,000 reward to anyone who can pinpoint a weekly Sabbath on any other day than by the moon. Seventy two weekly Sabbath days, observed by the Holy men of old, have been pinpointed in scriptures and every one of them is on either the 8th, 15th, 22nd, or 29th day of the moon.


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[Davide]

Message re-posted from The True Sabbaths And New Moons Group:

From: PWC <[e-mail]>
Date: Thu Apr 7, 2005 5:58 pm

Dear Br. Arnold,
It is nice to hear from you again. Will you soon be posting scriptures to support your claim that you have proof that all 8th, 15th, 22nd, and 29th days of every month are sabbaths?

YashaNa. (for those unaware of what this means - it means Hosanna.)
Br. Paul

[Davide]

Message re-posted from The True Sabbaths And New Moons Group:

From: [e-mail]
Date: Fri Apr 8, 2005 10:23 am

Hi Paul, I see you did not choose to answer my responce but to answer yours, I suggest you read my proof book at www.lunarsabbath.org which proves beyond a shadow of a doubt that the weeks and months were origanally by the moon and the weekly Sabbaths are by the moon same as all His other Holy appointments.

Brother Arnold


In a message dated 4/7/2005 7:01:05 PM Eastern Standard Time, [e-mail] writes:
Dear Br. Arnold,
It is nice to hear from you again. Will you soon be posting scriptures to support your claim that you have proof that all 8th, 15th, 22nd, and 29th days of every month are sabbaths?

YashaNa. (for those unaware of what this means - it means Hosanna.)
Br. Paul

[Davide]

Message re-posted from The True Sabbaths And New Moons Group:

From: [e-mail]
Date: Fri Apr 8, 2005 1:43 pm

Dear brother Paul, since you want to examine the 72 weekly Sabbaths that I have pinpointed in scriptures and don’t want to go to www.lunarsabbath.org and read them, I will post them four at a time for you here to examine. By the way there are more than 72 now but I will start with the most obvious that even you should not reject as you do the proof from Enoch, scriptures, history, etc. concerning the full moon verses the dark New moon, and therefore putting light for darkness and darkness for light. This is a Holy pearl and I don’t intend to throw it around as we have done the full moon being the New moon issue. By the way I still offer a $10,000 dollar reward for anyone who can prove from scripture only one weekly Sabbath that was NOT by the moon.

The first pinpointed weekly Sabbath for your examination is found in Exodus, chapter 16, and is on the 22nd day of the Moon (Ex. 16:22, 23) and, if you count backwards the second day of the Moon is the first workday OF THE WEEK, and the Sabbaths are on the 8th, 15th, 22nd, and 29th. this is where YHWH said they would not find any manna in the field because it was the Holy Sabbath of YHWH, referring to the 22nd. This is an absolute.

Deut.5:12-15 says that the Israelites were to remember the Sabbath day because they were delivered from Egypt's bondage, which we know to be on the 15th and Num. 33:3 teaches it was on a Sabbath or the 15th, that they were delivered from Egypt’s bondage, and Psm. 81:3 teaches it was 15th and the Hebrew words "time appointed" means Full moon, and it was a Solemn Feast day.

Their hands were delivered from the pots and their shoulders from the burdens on the 15th, a Sabbath, in the first moon. If the 15th was a Sabbath in the 1st month; how could the 15th be a Sabbath in the 2nd moon as chapter 16 of Exodus proves unless the weeks and Sabbaths were by the moon instead of a Roman calendar?

If you count the New moon day as an ordinary workday and just count seven over and over through the New moon, then your Sabbath would fall on the 7th, 14th, 21st, and 28th in the 2nd moon. The Scriptures teaches it was on the 8th, 15th, 22nd, and 29th in the second moon, which proves the New moon day was not counted as a workday, and there is no way a Roman calendar count was used here. This is an absolute.

If the above is true this will account for 8 weekly Sabbaths

Brother Arnold

[Davide]

Message re-posted from The True Sabbaths And New Moons Group:

From: [e-mail]
Date: Sun Apr 10, 2005 3:43 am
Subject: Not Lunar Sabbaths

Shalom All.

Brother Arnold says:
"By the way I still offer a $10,000 dollar reward for anyone who can prove from
>scripture only one weekly Sabbath that was NOT by the moon."


It seems to me that I have found some Scriptural proofs that the weekly Sabbaths
are not determined / counted by the Moon.


1. Proof:

Levictus 23 "15‘And from the morrow after the Sabbath, from the day that you brought the sheaf of the wave offering, you shall count for yourselves: seven completed Sabbaths. 16‘Until the morrow after the seventh Sabbath you count FIFTY days, then you shall bring a new grain offering to "

It says there Fifty days = seven completed Sabbaths+morrow after the seventh Sabbath. But in Lunar count of Sabbaths You will not allways have this 50 days within this period.

If there were not double days at new Moon which change from month to month then it would fit this Scripture but there are those double days so the theory of Lunar Sabbaths count is wrong.

You need to prove that new Moon day is not counted as a day but the Scripture says IT IS

1 Samuel 20

"34And Yehonathan rose up from the table in the heat of displeasure, and ate no food the second day of the month, for he was grieved for Dawid, because his father put him to shame"

Besides it is interesting study this whole chapter concerning new Moon.


2 Proof

Exodus 16.1

"And they set out from Elim, and all the congregation of the children of Yisra’el came to the Wilderness of Sin, which is between Elim and Sinai, on the fifteenth day of the second month after their going out of the land of Mitsrayim."

This Scripture says Israel was NOT RESTING but traveling on the fifteenth day.

If the Sabbaths were to be counted with Lunar method then They would be breaking the LAW.

But Exodus 16.22 says that few days (probbly three or four) later they were celebrating the Sabbath.


3. Proof

Exodus 16.11

"11And spoke to Mosheh, saying, 12“I have heard the grumblings of the children of Yisra’el. Speak to them, saying, ‘Between the evenings you are to eat meat, and in the morning you are to be satisfied with bread. And you shall know that I am your Elohim.’ ” 13And it came to be that quails came up at evening and covered the camp, and in the morning the dew lay all around the camp."

This Scripture says that Israel recived food this evening of the 15-th day of a month and also in the morning next day.

Exodus 16.25

"25And Mosheh said, “Eat it today, for today is a Sabbath to , today you do not find it in the field. 26“Gather it six days, but on the seventh day, which is the Sabbath, there is none.” "

So if they recived food to gather both 15 th and 16-th then those days were not weekly Sabbaths.

Bless You

Jacek

[Davide]

Message re-posted from The True Sabbaths And New Moons Group:

From: PWC <[e-mail]>
Date: Sun Apr 10, 2005 10:26 pm
Subject: Fwd: Reward For Disproving Lunar Based Sabbath

Dear Br. Jacek,
As you can see from the attached post from December 7, 2004,
Br. Arnold rejects the truth of the count to Pentecost. I cited Leviticus
23:9-11, just as you have cited Exodus 16 in your post of Sunday April
10, 2005.

YashaNa.
Br. Paul

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PART 1

From: PWC <[e-mail]>
Date: Tue Dec 7, 2004 10:45 pm
Subject: Re: Reward For Disproving Lunar Based Sabbath
To: [e-mail],...

Br. Arnold,
Below you will find that I have indeed satisfied your condition of proving a sabbath on a date other than the 8th, 15th, 22nd, or 29th.

YashaNa.
Br. Paul

Setting the Calendar from the Feast of Weeks
Setting Passover:

Jubilees 17:15,16; 18:3,12,18,19

15] And it came to pass in the seventh week, in the first year thereof, [2003 A.M.] in the first month in this jubilee, on the twelfth of this month, there were voices in heaven regarding Abraham, that he was faithful in all that He told him, and that he loved Yahuah, and that in every affliction he was faithful. 16] And the prince Mastema {Satan} came and said before Elohim, 'Behold, Abraham loves Isaac his son, and he delights in him above all things else; bid him offer him as a (Passover) burnt-offering on the altar, ..... 18:03] ..... and he went to the place on the third day (Mo 1 day 14), ..... 12] ..... Abraham lifted up his eyes and looked, and, behold a ram caught ... by his horns, and Abraham went and took the ram and offered it for a burnt-offering in the stead of his son. 18] And he celebrated this (Passover) festival every year, seven days with joy, and he called it the festival of Yahuah according to the seven days during which he went and returned in peace. 19] And accordingly has it been ordained and written on the heavenly tablets regarding Israel and its seed that they should observe this festival seven days with the joy of festival.

Setting the Feast of Weeks:

Jubilees 6:15-21

15] And He gave to Noah and his sons a sign that there should not again be a flood on the earth. 16] He set His bow in the cloud for a sign of the eternal covenant that there should not again be a flood on the earth to destroy it all the days of the earth. 17] For this reason it is ordained and written on the heavenly tablets, that they should celebrate the feast of weeks in this month once a year, to renew the covenant every year. 18] And this whole festival was celebrated in heaven from the day of creation till the days of Noah - twenty-six jubilees and five weeks of years [1309-1659 A.M.]: and Noah and his sons observed it for seven jubilees and one week of years (350 yrs), till the day of Noah's death, and from the day of Noah's death his sons did away with (it) until the days of Abraham, and they (Noah's sons) ate blood. 19] But Abraham observed it, and Isaac and Jacob and his children observed it up to thy days, and in thy days the children of Israel forgot it until ye celebrated it anew on this mountain. 20] And do thou command the children of Israel to observe this festival in all their generations for a commandment unto them: one day in the year in this month they shall celebrate the festival. 21] For it is the feast of weeks and the feast of first fruits: this feast is twofold and of a double nature: according to what is written and engraven concerning it, celebrate it.

Jubilees 15:1-3

01] And in the fifth year of the fourth week of this jubilee [1759 A.M.], in the third month, in the middle of the 02] month, Abram celebrated the feast of the first-fruits of the grain harvest. And he offered new offerings on the altar, the first-fruits of the produce, to Yahuah, a heifer and a goat and a sheep on the altar as a burnt sacrifice to Yahuah; their fruit offerings and their drink offerings he 03] offered upon the altar with frankincense.

Jubilees 16:12,13

12] And in the middle of the sixth month [1760 A.M.] Yahuah visited Sarah and did unto her as He had spoken and she conceived. 13] And she bare a son in the third month, and in the middle of the month, at the time of which Yahuah had spoken to Abraham, on the festival of the first fruits of the harvest, Isaac was born [1761 A.M.]. (Isaac lived 180 yrs 1761 A.M. - 1941 A.M.)

Jubilees 44:1-5,8,9; 45:1,2,7 [2172 A.M.]

01] And Israel took his journey from Haran from his house on the new moon of the third month, and he went on the way of the Well of the Oath, and he offered a sacrifice to the Elohim of his 02] father Isaac on the seventh of this month. And Jacov remembered the dream that he had seen 03] at Bethel, and he feared to go down into Egypt. And while he was thinking of sending word to Joseph to come to him, and that he would not go down, he remained there seven days, if 04] perchance he could see a vision as to whether he should remain or go down. And he celebrated the harvest festival of the first-fruits with old grain, for in all the land of Canaan there was not a handful of seed, for the famine was over all the beasts and cattle and 05] birds, and also over man. .....

Leviticus 23:9-11

09] And Yahuah spoke unto Moses saying: 10] Speak unto the children of Israel, and say unto them: When ye are come into the land which I give unto you, and shall reap the harvest thereof, then ye shall bring the sheaf of the first-fruits of your harvest unto the priest. 11] And he shall wave the sheaf before Yahuah, to be accepted for you; on the morrow after the sabbath the priest shall wave it. 15] And ye shall count unto you from the morrow after the day of rest, from the day that ye brought the sheaf of the waving; seven weeks shall there be complete; 16] even unto the morrow after the seventh week shall ye number fifty days; and ye shall present a new meal-offering unto Yahuah.

Mark 15:42,43

42] And now when the night was come (because it was the day of the preparation that is before the Sabbath) 43] Joseph of Arimathea, an honorable counsellor, which also looked for the kingdom of Yahuah, came, and went in boldly unto Pilate, and asked the body of Yahusha.

John 19:14-18,31-33 (Murdock Penutsa)

14] And it was the preparation for the passover; and it was about the sixth hour. And he said to the Jews: Behold, your king. 15] But they cried out: Away with him, away with him; hang him, hang him. Pilate said to them: Shall I crucify your king? The chief priests said to him: We have no king, but Caesar. 16] Then he delivered him to them, that they might crucify him. And they took Yahusha, and led him away, 17] bearing his cross, to a place called a Skull, and in Hebrew called Golgotha; 18] where they crucified him; .... 31] And because it was the preparation, the Jews said: These bodies must not remain all night upon the cross: because the sabbath was dawning (Passover is NOT a sabbath - consequently this can only refer to the 1st day of FUB); and the day of that sabbath was a great day. And they requested of Pilate, that they should break the legs of those crucified, and take them down. 32] And the soldiers came, and broke the legs of the first, and of the other that was crucified with him. 33] But when they came to Yahusha, they saw that he was already dead; and they broke not his legs.

John 19:14-18,31-33 (Orthodox Brit Chadasha)

14] Now it was Erev Pesach, the sha'ah (hour, time) it was about the shinuts (sixth, the sixth hour, about noon), and Pilate says to those of Yahudah, "Hinei, your Melech (King)!" 15] Therefore, these cried out, "Away, away, hang him on haAitz (a Tree)!" Pilate says to them, "Shall I hang on haAitz your Melech?" In reply, the Kohen Gadol (High Priest) said, "We do not have a Melech except Caesar." 16] Then, therefore, Pilate delivered Rebbe, Melech HaMoshiach to them that he should be hanged on HaAitz (the Tree). [Devarim 21:22] The Hagba (Lifting up) of Rebbe, Melech HaMoshiach, the Kohen L'Olam al Divrati Malki Tzedek, whose undergarment was the seamless ketonet of the Kohen Gadol. Therefore, they took Rebbe, Melech HaMoshiach. 17] And carrying by himself the Aitz (Tree) [Bereshis 22:6; Devarim 21:23], he went out to the place being called Mekom HaGulgolet (Place of the Skull), which is called in Aramaic Gulgolta. 18] There they hanged Rebbe, Melech HaMoshiach on HaAitz .... 31] Therefore, those of Yahudah, vi-bahlt (since) it was Erev Pesach and they did not want the geviyot (bodies) to be left on the Aitz (Tree) [Shemot 12:16; Devarim 21:22-23; Yehoshua 8:29; 10:26-27] during Shabbos, for it was Shabbat haGadol [Vayikra 23:11], requested Pilate to have the legs broken and the geviyot taken away. 32] Therefore the chaiyalim (soldiers) came and broke the first man's legs and then the other one hanging on the Aitz. 33] But having come to Rebbe, Melech HaMoshiach, when they saw that he was already niftar (deceased), they did not break his legs. (References in brackets are in text)

Vayikra/Leviticus 23:5-12

05] In the fourteenth [day] of the first month at even [is] YHWH'S Pesach. 06] And on the fifteenth day of the same month [is] the Feast of Matzah bread unto YHWH: seven days ye must eat matzah bread. 07] In the first day ye shall have an holy convocation: ye shall do no servile work therein. 08] But ye shall offer an offering made by fire unto YHWH seven days: in the seventh day [is] an holy convocation: ye shall do no servile work [therein]. 09] And YHWH spake unto Moshe, saying, 10] Speak unto the children of Israel, and say unto them, When ye be come into the land which I give unto you, and shall reap the harvest thereof, then ye shall bring a sheaf of the firstfruits of your harvest unto the priest: 11] And he shall wave the sheaf before YHWH, to be accepted for you: on the morrow

after the shabbat the priest shall wave it. 12] And ye shall offer that day when ye wave the sheaf an he lamb without blemish .....

This calendar was understood by the Enochian Essenes, to have different functions for observing based on their interpretation of the Genesis Story of Creation. The Creation began on the 1st Day and ended on the seventh day. This is how the Weeks of the year are determined (Day 1 = 1st day of the week = modern Sunday, day 7 = last day of the week = modern Saturday, and then you start over. However when you are determining the Days of the year, including the seasons, Holydays and Feasts as they are in harmony with Nature, it is understood that Time began on the 4th day of the Creation story = Wednesday. Therefore the 1st day of the 1st Month of the Year will always begin on a Wednesday. The Holydays will always be on the same day. (Note: There is a minor intercalation of an additional 1 week ( = 371 days or 53 weeks) every 5 to 6 years to keep alignment with the seasons)

see also: A Readers guide to the Qumran Calendar Texts (pp 296); The Moon Phases( 4Q317); 4Q318; Calendar of the Heavenly signs (4Q319); Syncronistic Calendars (4Q320-321a); An Annalistic Calendar (4Q322-324b); Priestly Service-Sabbath, Month, and Festival - Year One (4Q325); 4Q326. ( source: www.angelfire.com/ga4/israelites/enochian_calendar_information.htm 12-05-2004)

Counting back from the Feast of Weeks on Month 3 Day 15 we find Passover is on the 3rd day of the week. Feast of Unleavened Bread runs from day 15 - 21, 4th day of the week to the 3rd day of the next week. The barley Sheaf would be harvested between 22nd - 24th days, the 4th - 6th workdays of the week. The Sheaf was then presented to the Priest and the day after Sabbath the 25th on the 26th - he waved the sheaf before Yahuah. Counting 50 days from the morrow after the Sabbath - ie, the 26th - we arrive at the 15th of the 3rd Month - the Feast of Weeks.

Month 1 Abib / Nisan

......................Sun......Mon.....Tue......Wed....Thur......Fri.......Sat

.......................1st.......2nd.......3rd.......4th.......5th.......6th.......7th

...........................................................01........02........03........04

......................05.........06.........07........08........09.........10........11

.......................12.........13.........14........15........16........17........18

.......................19.........20.........21........22........23........24........25

.......................26.........27.........28........29........30

New Years day 4th weekday of Essene / Jubilees Solar Calendar.

Abib/Nisan 14th Passover would have been on the 3rd weekday. The Essenes kept the annual Sabbath of 1st day of FUB on the 4th day/Wednesday the 15th. The 18th was the weekly 7th day Sabbath.

Abib/Nisan 15th - 21st Feast of Unleavened Bread would have begun on the 4th weekday.

Abib/Nisan 21st Last day of FUB on 3rd workday gives three workdays to harvest the Wave Sheaf before presenting it to the Priest for waving on the morrow after the 7th day sabbath. The morrow after the sabbath begins the 50 day count to the Feast of Weeks.

Abib/Nisan 26th Waving of the Sheaf Offering

Passion week the Jews' Passover was one day later - on the 4th weekday. Their "Sabbath" for 1st day of FUB would have begun the night of the 4th weekday - Messiah was taken off the torture stake before the Jews' "sabbath" began that night - giving Messiah the 3 nights of the 4th, 5th & 6th weekdays and the 3 daylights of the 5th, 6th & 7th days in the tomb - rising from the tomb sometime in the night after the Jews' 7th day Sabbath ended.

The Pharisees count from the 16th, the day after the sabbath / 1st day of FUB to the 6th of Sivan. Josephus, who was a Pharisee, testifies to this:

Antiquities III 10:5,6

05] ..... But on the second day of unleavened bread, which is the sixteenth day of the month, they first partake of the fruits of the earth, for before that day they do not touch them. And while they suppose it proper to honor (YHWH), from whom they obtain this plentiful provision, in the first place, they offer the first-fruits of their barley, and that in the manner following: They take a handful of the ears, and dry them, then beat them small, and purge the barley from the bran; they then bring one tenth deal to the altar, to (YHWH); and, casting one handful of it upon the fire, they leave the rest for the use of the priest. And after this it is that they may publicly or privately reap their harvest. They also at this participation of the first-fruits of the earth, sacrifice a lamb, as a burnt-offering to (YHWH). 06] When a week of weeks has passed over after this sacrifice, (which weeks contain forty and nine days,) on the fiftieth day, which is Pentecost, but is called by the Hebrews Asartha, .....

Gospel of Thomas

39] Yahusha said, "The Pharisees and learned have taken the Keys of Knowledge and concealed them. They have not opened that door and entered into Knowledge, and those who wish to enter they will not allow the Keys. So you must be as wise as serpents and as innocent as doves."

102] Yahusha said, "Woe to the Pharisees for they are like a dog sleeping in a barn with the oxen, for they do not eat of the hay, nor do the allow the oxen to eat."

Matthew 23:13

13] But woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye shut up the kingdom of heaven against men: for ye neither go in [yourselves], neither suffer ye them that are entering to go in.

Luke 12:1

01] .... he (Yahusha) began to say unto his disciples first of all, Beware ye of the leaven of the Pharisees, which is hypocrisy.

Month 2 Ziv

...................................................................................01........02

......................03........04..........05.........06........07........08........09

.......................10........11..........12.........13........14........15........16

.......................17........18..........19.........20........21........22........23

.......................24........25..........26.........27........28........29........30

Ziv 14th Second Passover

Month 3 Sivan

......................01........02..........03.........04........05.........06........07

......................08........09...........10.........11........12.........13........14

.......................15........16..........17.........18........19.........20........21

.......................22........23..........24.........25........26.........27........28

.......................29........30..........31

Sivan 15th Feast of Weeks - the 50th day, inclusive, after Wave Sheaf

Month 4 Tammuz

...........................................................01........02........03........04

......................05.........06.........07........08........09.........10........11

.......................12.........13.........14........15........16........17........18

.......................19.........20.........21........22........23........24........25

.......................26.........27.........28........29........30

Month 5 Ab

...................................................................................01........02

......................03........04..........05.........06........07........08........09

.......................10........11..........12.........13........14........15........16

.......................17........18..........19.........20........21........22........23

.......................24........25..........26.........27........28........29........30

Ab 3rd Feast of New Wine 50th day, inclusive, after the Feast of Weeks

Month 6 Elul

......................01........02..........03.........04........05.........06........07

......................08........09...........10.........11........12.........13........14

.......................15........16..........17.........18........19.........20........21

.......................22........23..........24.........25........26.........27........28

.......................29........30..........31

Elul 22nd Feast of New Oil

Elul 29th Feast of Offering of Wood

Month 7 Tishri / Ethanim

...........................................................01........02........03........04

......................05.........06.........07........08........09.........10........11

.......................12.........13.........14........15........16........17........18

.......................19.........20.........21........22........23........24........25

.......................26.........27.........28........29........30

Tishri/Ethanim 1st Feast of Trumpets

Tishri/Ethanim 10th Day of Atonement

Tishri/Ethanim 15th - 21st Feast of Tabernacles

Tishri/Ethanim 22nd Called Addition (Jubilees 31:27-30) Last Great Day of Tabernacles

Month 8 Bul

...................................................................................01........02

......................03........04..........05.........06........07........08........09

.......................10........11..........12.........13........14........15........16

.......................17........18..........19.........20........21........22........23

.......................24........25..........26.........27........28........29........30

Month 9 Chisleu

......................01........02..........03.........04........05.........06........07

......................08........09...........10.........11........12.........13........14

.......................15........16..........17.........18........19.........20........21

.......................22........23..........24.........25........26.........27........28

.......................29........30..........31

Month 10 Tebeth

...........................................................01........02........03........04

......................05.........06.........07........08........09.........10........11

.......................12.........13.........14........15........16........17........18

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Month 11 Sebat

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Month 12 Adar

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Solar Calendar based upon DSS Calendrical Documents 4Q320 & 4Q321. source: members.cox.net/laschuetz/HaDerech/DSS/Calendar/QumranCalendar.pdf

[Davide]

Message re-posted from The True Sabbaths And New Moons Group:

From: PWC <[e-mail]>
Date: Sun Apr 10, 2005 10:26 pm
Subject: Fwd: Reward For Disproving Lunar Based Sabbath

Dear Br. Jacek,
As you can see from the attached post from December 7, 2004,
Br. Arnold rejects the truth of the count to Pentecost. I cited Leviticus
23:9-11, just as you have cited Exodus 16 in your post of Sunday April
10, 2005.

YashaNa.
Br. Paul

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PART 2

From: PWC <[e-mail]>
Date: Tue Dec 7, 2004 10:45 pm
Subject: Re: Reward For Disproving Lunar Based Sabbath
To: [e-mail],...

The observance of Passover night, by the rules of calculation as disclosed by Patriarch Hillel II, could occur on a Monday night, a Wednesday night, a Friday night, or a Saturday night but never on a Sunday night, a Tuesday night, or a Thursday night. The Essenes, on the other hand, who followed a solar calendar, always observed the Passover on a Tuesday night. The Essenes fixed Nisan 14 on their calendar as the third day of the week, Tuesday as we reckon time. The annual Sabbath known as the first day of the Feast of Unleavened Bread, Nisan 15, was always a Wednesday on the Essene calendar.

As set out in the scriptures the annual Sabbaths, sometimes called high Sabbaths (John 19:31), were sacred assemblies, holy convocations (Leviticus 23:2). Occasionally, with the Pharisaic / Rabbinic calendar an annual Sabbath would fall on a weekly Sabbath thereby making the day a double Sabbath. For example, it appears that the annual Sabbath at Luke 6:1, presumably the Last Day of Unleavened Bread, fell on the weekly Sabbath (Mark 2:23; Matthew 12:1). Moreover, the weekly Sabbath of John 9:14,16, on which Yahusha healed the blind man, appears to be the annual Sabbath called the Last Great Day (John 7:37). On the calculated Pharisaic / Rabbinic calendar this double Sabbath could only have occurred in 27 or 30 CE.

Yahusha had previously made the following points: ( 1 ) Yahusha informed his disciples, two days before the Jews' Passover - NOT Yahuah's Passover - that he would be betrayed to be crucified (Matthew 26:1-2). ( 2 ) Yahusha instructed Peter and John, early Tuesday Nisan 14, 30 CE, a full 24 hours before the Jews' Passover, to make preparations to eat the Passover Supper that very evening (Matthew 26:17-19; Mark 14:12-16; Luke 22:7-13).

The Twelve appeared not to be in any way shocked or taken aback that they were going to eat the Passover with Yahusha as set forth on the traditional Hebrew Temple calendar - not the Pharisaic / Rabbinic lunar calendar. The principal events of the evening, the defining elements of the new Passover included: ( 1 ) a set time, a full 24 hours before the Jew's Passover (Matthew 26:20; Mark 14:17; Luke 22:14) ( 2 ) a meatless Seder, the paschal meal, which the apostle Paul referred to as the Last Supper (I Corinthians 11:20; cf. Matthew 26:19, Mark 14:16, Luke 22:13) ( 3 ) the foot-washing ritual during the meal involving Yahusha and the Twelve (John 13:5-16) ( 4 ) during the meal Yahusha took unleavened bread and asked a prayer over it, giving thanks and seeking a blessing, before braking it into pieces and distributing it to the disciples (Matthew 26:26; Mark 14:22; Luke 22:19; I Corinthians 11:23-24) ( 5 ) he then took a cup of wine (not grape juice), gave thanks, and gave it to the disciples which they each drank from the single cup (Matthew 26:26-28; Mark 14:22-24; Luke 22:17-20; I Corinthians 11:23-25), and ( 6 ) a hymn (Mark 14:26).

A quite unlikely source, archaeologist Bargil Pixner, a Benedictine, who lives on Mt. Sion in the Dormition Abby, holds that this Last Supper occurred on a Tuesday night in the guesthouse of the Essene community on Mt. Zion in Jerusalem. "To my mind" writes Pixner "this took place in the Essene guesthouse on Mount Zion on the Tuesday night" (Pixner 1992 With Jesus Through Galilee According to the Fifth Gospel. Rosh Pina, Israel: Corazin Publishing; see also 1976 An Essene Quarter on Mount Zion. Pp. 245-284 in Studia Hierosolymitana in onore di P. Bellarmino Bagatti. Studi archeologici. I. Publications of the Studium Biblicum Franciscanum. Jerusalem: Franciscan Printing Press. 1990 "Church of the Apostles Found on Mt. Zion" Biblical Archaeology Review 16.3 (May/June):16-35, 60; and 1997 "Jerusalem's Essene Gateway-Where the Community Lived in Jesus' Time" Biblical Archaeology Review 23.3 (May/June):22-31, 64, 66-67).

Richard Mackowski concluded, from his topographical study of the site of the Upper Room, that the Last Supper did indeed take place in the Essene dining hall on Mt. Sion from where Yahusha and his followers "walked down from the Upper City’s Essene quarter, using the steps still visible beside the Chapel of Peter-in-Gallicantu on the eastern slope of Mt. Zion (Mackowski 1980 Jerusalem City of Jesus: An Exploration of the Traditions, Writings, and Remains of the Holy City From the Time of Christ. Grand Rapids, MI: William B. Eerdmans). Moreover, he stated that: According to Pixner, who recently has reexamined the area thoroughly, the steps leading up from the Church of St. Peter-in-Gallicantu, on the eastern slope of Mt. Zion, led up towards a point identified as the most likely spot for a doorway or a vestibule of an ancient house. This door would have opened towards a platform leading to a house whose level would correspond to a second story upper room. (ibid, 145.)

Erudite scholars would have us believe that the Sabbath that began after Yahusha's burial was a weekly Sabbath. What they knew and chose to not disclose, or what they should have known and did not, was that in the Torah Nisan 15 was always a Sabbath (Leviticus 23:6-7), preceded by the Nisan 14 preparation day. Evidence that this had to be a weekly Sabbath rather than an annual Sabbath is conspicuously lacking.

Nisan 14, the day of the execution, was the preparation day preceding a High Sabbath (John 19:14, 19:31). When the High Sabbath was past the women purchased spices and ointments to anoint the body (Mark 16:1), they prepared them (Luke 23:56; 24:1), and rested on the weekly Sabbath (Luke 23:56). There was ample opportunity for the women to buy spices on Friday between the annual High Sabbath on Thursday and the weekly Sabbath on Saturday. According to Luke’s gospel, early the next morning the women went to the tomb to wash and to anoint Yahusha's body. Mark records they arrived at sunrise (Mark 16:2). They found that the stone sealing the tomb had been moved leaving the tomb open (Mark 16:4; Luke 24:2-3). Yahusha's resurrection had already occurred. The chief priests and Pharisees had sought placement of a guard at the tomb (Matthew 27:62-65, cf. Luke 24:21). Pilate ordered the tomb made secure. Authorities then placed a seal on the stone and posted guard at the site to secure it until the third day was past (Matthew 27:66). As the authorities sealed the tomb and set a guard there until the three days were past, the women did not have access to the body of Yahusha until after the weekly Sabbath had passed.

The idea of Yahusha observing his final Passover on the Essene calendar is not unique to Bargil Pixner and Richard Mackowski. In the 1950s Annie Jaubert, who argued that Yahusha kept the Essene calendar, held that he ate his Last Supper on the Passover date of the Essene calendar, a Tuesday evening (Jaubert 1957 La date de la CËne. Paris: J.Gabalda, Jaubert 1965 The Date of the Last Supper. French orig. 1957. Translated by I. Rafferty. Staten Island, NY: Alba House). This view, for the most part based on Matthew 12:40, echoed in Matthew 27:63, was also that of E. William Bullinger. In the Companion Bible his one-volume study Bible on the King James Version, he also argued that in the year of the Crucifixion the annual Sabbath (Passover Sabbath) began Wednesday night and that the Last Supper occurred Tuesday night (Bullinger, E. W. 1990 The Companion Bible. King James Version. Grand Rapids, MI: Kregel Publications).

The literary evidence is found in the gospels of Luke and Mark. Both state that on the day of the slaughtering of the Passover lambs Yahusha instructed Peter and John to enter Jerusalem and to look for a man carrying a pitcher of water (Luke 22:8-10, Mark 14:13). They were to follow him to where he entered a house and there to inquire of the housemaster about the guest room where Yahusha was to eat the Passover with his disciples (Mark 14:14; Luke 22:11). Yahusha said "He will show you a large upper room furnished and ready. Make preparations for us there" (Mark 14:15; cf., Matthew 26:19; Luke 22:12). The Passover had to be eaten within the city of Jerusalem. In this culture, the carrying of water in jars to homes was the chore of children and women, not Jewish men. However, an Essene man, typically celibate, would carry water as a chore since an Essene enclave would have been absent children and women to perform this menial task. The two took care of last minute details for the Passover Supper made available for money to Jerusalem Passover pilgrims at the Essene guesthouse on Mt. Sion.

When it was late, when the stars were visible, Yahusha and the Twelve came to the Essene guesthouse (Mark 14:16-17). The Essenes being vegetarians, observed a meatless Passover. That meal is known to us as the Last Supper; it was the evening meal of Yahusha and his disciples the night (Tuesday Abib 14) before the Crucifixion (Wednesday Abib 15). Yahusha kept his Last Supper 24 hours before the Jews' Passover. The calculated Jewish / Pharisaic / Rabbinic lunar calendar, according to the rules given by Hillel II, places the Passover (Abib 15) in CE 30, beginning on a Wednesday evening. The crucifixion was carried out on Thursday Abib 15 around noon.

Prejudice and doctrinal stances aside, the inescapable conclusion is that Yahusha and his followers observed a Tuesday night Last Supper at the Essene Guest house, which requires, in context, the Jews in the year of the Crucifixion to have kept their traditional Passover early Wednesday evening, Nisan 15, as their new day began at sunset. ( source: www.bibarch.com/Articles/Article-Last%20Seder.htm 12-05-2004 )

It is proven there was an annual Sabbath on Abib 15th as the 1st day of FUB, and another, the weekly 7th day Sabbath on Abib 18th, 30CE. It is a given that our Messiah Yahusha never once broke any part of Torah, so His observance of Passover according to the Essene Solar Calendar can be taken as the true Passover observance. To say otherwise is to call Yahusha a liar and a hypocrite. Hebrews says that Yahusha is our High Priest (4:14), a great High Priest forever (6:20) that would make the calendar He kept the Priestly Calendar, and it is a Solar Calendar.

I have met the condition of your challenge to prove one sabbath that did not fall on the 8th, 15th, 22th, or 29th of the month, and have gone beyond by proving that the Pharisaic / Rabinnic Lunar Calendar is not the true calendar.

It's time for you to follow through on your word and fulfill your obligation.

~ ~ END ~ ~

[Davide]

Message re-posted from The True Sabbaths And New Moons Group:

From: "JimT." <[e-mail]>
Date: Sun Apr 10, 2005 11:32 pm
Subject: Re: [TheTrueSabbathsAndNewMoons] Not Lunar Sabbaths

Hi there, brothers!

Excuse me for writing as I do this evening/morning, but don't you
think that Christian people, who feel that they have no need of
living according to the Yearly Feasts ,
will look upon this public discussion as simply another reason not to
listen to anyone who is choosing to tells them that before Yeshua
comes His second time, His desire is that all of the institutions
from Torah, saving those that have to do with the Levitical
sacrificial system [this is my belief, because the True Lamb of
Yahweh, Yeshua the Antitype, has met His type that was shown in
animal sacrificing in Tanakh] should be brought back. Now, I simply
feel that if we are ever going to be used of the Spirit of Yahweh, to
aid Christianity to see the value of the Feasts, argumentation in
public is most probably deleterious to the cause. If we are [and we
are] having trouble showing people the beauty of the weekly Shabbat,
surely the yearly feasts, which have to do with new moons and
Leviticus 23 and the like, will even be seen as more foreign to them.

Just my two cents, guys, and I speak not against that which you are
in the process of finding, but rather against the theater in which it
is being done.

Agape,

JimT

[Davide]

Message re-posted from The True Sabbaths And New Moons Group:

From: [e-mail]
Date: Mon Apr 11, 2005 12:55 am
Subject: Fw: Not Lunar Sabbaths

Shalom All.

Two more proofs that there is error in the Lunar Sabbaths counting method (8-th, 15-th, 21-st, 28-th).


1 Proof.

Jeshua told us He would stay in the earth for three nights and days.

He was crucified in the afternoon of 14th Abib. We know the next day was High Sabbath - first day of Unleavened bread Feast. We know His resurection was discovered early in the morning of the first day - Sunday - after a Sabbath.

I conclude: Jeshua was crucified in the afternoon of 14th Abib (Wendesday), next day the 15-th was High Sabbath - first day of Unleavened bread Feast (Thursday), next day the 16-th was Friday (which is simply not mentioned in the Scriptures as there happened nothin special), next day the 17-th was weekly Sabbath and in the afternoon Jeshua was rissen (after thee nights and days). Next day the 18-th early in the morning on Sunday His resurection was discovered.

So taking Jeshua's word as true the weekly Sabbath was not 15-th but 17-th.


2 Proof.

The 15th of Abib the going out of Egipt - Israel was neighter resting nor worshipig but traveling.

But

Exodus 16-22,27

"22And Mosheh brought Yisra’el from the Sea of Reeds, and they went out into the Wilderness of Shur. And they went three days in the wilderness and found no water.

....

27And they came to Elim, where there were twelve fountains of water and seven- ty palm trees. And they camped there by the waters."

says they walked three days and reasted. Exodus 3.17-18 tells us that it was planned by YHWH and revealed to Moshe

long ago before they even left Egipt.

"17and I say: I am bringing you up out of the affliction of Mitsrayim to the land of the Kena'anite and the Hittite and the Amorite and the Perizzite and the Hiwwite and the Yebusite, to a land flowing with milk and honey.” ’ 18“And they shall listen to your voice. And you shall come, you and the elders of Yisra’el, to the sovereign of Mitsrayim, and you shall say to him, ‘ Elohim of the Hebrews has met with us. And now, please, let us go three days’ journey into the wilderness to slaughter to our Elohim.’"

So I conclude the 15-th of Abib was not a weekly Sabbath but the 18th.


So far I see errors in this Lunar Sabbaths counting method (8-th, 15-th, 21-st, 28-th).

But what amazes me is that there could be a pattern of two days difference between this method and weekly Sabbaths. And I think this should be investigated especially as there are also two days difference between the begining of creation and the creation of Moon and Sun.

Bless You.

jacek

[Davide]

Message re-posted from The True Sabbaths And New Moons Group:

From: [e-mail]
Date: Mon Apr 18, 2005 6:58 am
Subject: Re: [TheTrueSabbathsAndNewMoons] Fw: Not Lunar Sabbaths


someone said,

I conclude: Jeshua was crucified in the afternoon of 14th Abib (Wendesday), next day the 15-th was High Sabbath - first day of Unleavened bread Feast (Thursday), next day the 16-th was Friday (which is simply not mentioned in the Scriptures as there happened nothin special), next day the 17-th was weekly Sabbath and in the afternoon Jeshua was rissen (after thee nights and days). Next day the 18-th early in the morning on Sunday His resurection was discovered.

So taking Jeshua's word as true the weekly Sabbath was not 15-th but 17-th.


RESPONSE; Here are a few major problems with the interpretation that Heart of the earth means grave.

The men on the road to EMMAUS is speaking on the first day of the week/Sunday saying that Sunday was the third day from the time He was delivered to Pilot and crucified. How could from a Wednesday crucifixion to Sunday conversation with the disciples be the third day??? Luke 24:20-21

Instead of saying there must be another understanding for the sign of Jonah, some people try to get around this great embarrassment and say that the count for the third day begins at the sealing of the tomb but the Scripture plainly teach that the count begins from His death to His Resurrection not from the sealing of the tomb. “He will rise the third day” this has to be the third day from His death “not” the sealing of the tomb.

To confirm this understanding let's examine what the Angels said on the first day of the week at the tomb. The Angels told the women that He is not here for He has risen. The Angels also asked them did they remember when He was yet with them, how He told them that He would be delivered into the hands of sinful men to be crucified and rise again the third day? They did not mention any thing about sealing of the tomb but from His death. Luke 24:6-7

If you do the math you will see that from the day He was delivered into the hands of sinful men and crucified, to the first day of the week when the Angels are speaking cannot possibly be a Wednesday crucifixion and Saturday Resurrection. This is a great embarrassment to their interpretation of the sign of Jonah. I can show you greater embarrassments than this, if you are interested in knowing the truth on this matter, just let me know.

How could from a Wednesday crucifixion and placed in the tomb, to a Sunday conversation with the women and Angels be the third day??

Brother Arnold